My 407

[Dozer Find all posts View Profile Close Dozer]

felicitari... ca mai multe nu stiu ce sa spun momentan..

[Dic84 Find all posts View Profile Close Dic84]

ii pui cutiuta din aia la motor???sau ii pui unul de BMW pe ea????

[cristi_407 Find all posts View Profile Close cristi_407]

As I’ve probably explained before that is no problem at all. It can be done on the stock pistons and rods (with the addition of a decompression package). The most suited turbocharger for your application is a GT28R or GT28RS. The RS has a bit more capacity it will be able to take the hp level up to 350 if you might ever want that in the future it is also slightly more efficient then a GT28R, resulting in less addition of heat to the intake charge. The only downside is a bit later boost (around 300 rpm) and a few euros in cost price.



For the basic 250 hp conversion we offer an add-on management system, controlling the extra fuel and ignition timing. It will offer no real upgrade possibilities for future plans since the system relies on modifying the stock engine sensor signals and that type of control can only be stretched with certain parameters to retain reliable engine operation.



The best way to control the engine is with a fully standalone programmable system, it gives full control over all the engine aspects and offers the means to easily put in several safety precautions like an over boost fuel cut, advanced ignition management based upon various engine conditions and precise boost control all aiding in the overall reliability of the system. The precise boost control is regulated by the management system so that the solenoid can be operated in such a manner that boost comes in progressively with the engine revolutions, meaning less strain on the drive line components. Besides that it has nice features like launch control and ALS, but like I said before the real power of a standalone system is in superior engine control. Also if you ever want to go further with hp modifications the programmable system will always be able to control it. A simple remap is all that is necessary.



With the standalone programmable system we can take the power level from 250 (with the add-on system) up to 270 hp with even more reliable operation since ignition timing and fuel injection can be controlled much more precisely (and it has the safety precautions, an add-on system does not have that). Price difference between the add-on system and standalone system is 700 euro excl. VAT, something worth considering.



Like I said in a previous email, we have to check if an up rated clutch is a necessity, it depends on the model you currently have in your vehicle. Price for an up rated clutch will be around 500 euro, installation we will do for cost price of materials, since it will be not much extra work. Again, we will first have to check if it is a necessity.

[madriann Find all posts View Profile Close madriann]

Cristi, sa nu busesti masina ( .
Deci...iti pune o turbina si un sistem de management al injectiei, masina sare la 350 CP fara sa umble la pistoane, biele sau camasi ? Ambreiajul, gandit pentru vreo 200 NM stock, o sa-ti reziste la noul cuplu ? (Banuiesc ca o sa sara de 300Nm). Iar 500 EURO pentru un kit de ambreiaj sport mi se pare japca curata. Are ferodou din cristale Swarowski, sau cum?
Macar...cere o parere si de la o alta firma.

[cristi_407 Find all posts View Profile Close cristi_407]

Pai m-am interesat si un kit de ambreiaj de la Sachs e 390 euro fara tva la noi..Iar la ei au zis in jur 500..Chestia e ca au zis daca vreau sa o duc mai sus de 270cp imi pun un turbo mai mare..Dar eu vreau sa ma cam opresc la 260cp..Asta e unul din mailuri..Imi schimba serpisori, imi pun intercooler, pompa de benzina..sunt destule..Firma se ocupa doar de motare de Peugeot si Honda si doar motare..Eu reprezentanta de la Garret din olanda..Garantie 1 an sau 40 000 km..

[cristi_407 Find all posts View Profile Close cristi_407]

As there are many ways to cover the management side of it I will give
only
three suggestions since it is too far fetch describing all
possibilities in
an email;
- have a custom chip programmed
- use an add-on management unit to control fuel and ignition timing
(for instance an SMT6 or SMT7, see our website for details)
- install a standalone programmable system (we sell Vems V3.3; again
look at the website for details)

Further modifications to the engine depend on your power goal. With
stock
internals and just a decompression package to lower the cr-ratio, you
can go
up to about 90 - 100% increase in hp, if your power demands surpass
that
forged internals are recommended.
Of course we also supply forged internals; Wiseco pistons and Carrillo
rods.

Installation of the turbo system isn't too difficult, but if you have
no
experience I would recommend to have a professional mechanic do the
job.

Concerning tuning of the system, a dyno tune by a skilled tuner is
highly
recommended and the only way to insure things are done correctly.

[Dic84 Find all posts View Profile Close Dic84]

cred ca in 2 ani ii faci motorul praf.e asa sau ma insel?

[cristi_407 Find all posts View Profile Close cristi_407]

Nu stiu..Daca sunt motoare de 2.0 T de 400 de cai care sunt ok sau daca S3 care are 2.0 T 265 cp nu vad de ce as avrea probleme..

[Doc Find all posts View Profile Close Doc]

Un ambreiaj bun (sport) costa 1000 euro, ceea ce cumperi tu la 500 euro mi se pare unul obisnuit.

Odata cu modificarile pe care i le aduci trebuie sa schimbi tot sistemul de suspensie si franare al masinii. La astea te-ai gandit??? Nu mai dati astfel de cifre cu sute de cai, ca nu pot fi reale decat in conditiile unei modificari complete a masinii si motorului.
Un kit complet TURBO costa de la 15.000 euro in sus. Daca tu cristi dai doar 5000 euro pe o astfel de schimbare, ai sansa sa distrugi motorul.

Iti spun eu de ce nu are S3 probleme: primul lucru care il are fata de tine sunt pistoanele forjate si bloc motor intarit.

[cristi_407 Find all posts View Profile Close cristi_407]

Imi schimba si pistoanele forjate..Si nu e 5000..E cam dublu..Astia fac chestii de astea de 20 de ani..Au facut sute de masini..Am discutat de suspensie si au zis ca daca nu vreau sa ma duc mai sus de 250, suspensia e ok, mai ales ca am arcurile sport, si au zis ca sistemul de franare trebuie analizat..Imi pare rau acum ca am scris acum pe topic..Acum apar ca de obicei mii de intrebari si sute de indoieli...E reprezenta la Garret Doc, nu e Dimsport..

[madriann Find all posts View Profile Close madriann]

Iti dublezi puterea practic ...hmmm...succes! Sa pui un filmulet, ceva pe YouTube, dupa ce termini .

[cristi_407 Find all posts View Profile Close cristi_407]

Car: Citroën ZX 2.0 16v
Engine: 1998 cc 16v (XU10J4)
Turbo: Garrett GT2871RS
Management: VEMS 3.3
Exhaust Manifold:
DP-Engineering stainless 'Welders Nightmare'
Intake Manifold:
DP-Engineering sheet aluminum performance intake manifold
Injectors:
Delphi 525 cc
Clutch: OMP sintered multi puck
Misc.: DP-Engineering 8.6 : 1 decompression package

Power:
Flywheel power @ 195 kPa;
328 hp @ 6246 rpm
381 nm @ 4832 rpm
Wheel power
296 hp and 343 nm

[cristi_407 Find all posts View Profile Close cristi_407]

Car: Peugeot 206 1.6 16v
Engine: 1587 cc 16v (TU5JP4)
Turbo: Garrett GT25R
Add-on Management: SMT 7
Exhaust Manifold:
DP-Engineering stainless 'Blister'
Clutch: Reinforced pressure plate with OMP sintered multi puck sprung disk
Misc.: DP-Engineering 8.8 : 1 decompression package

Power:
Flywheel power;
196 HP @ 6262 RPM
273 NM @ 4075 RPM
Wheel power;
170 HP and 237 NM

[Doc Find all posts View Profile Close Doc]

Nu stiu ce legatura are DIMSPORT (tuning soft) cu Garett (fabricant de turbina), dar nu cred ca am spus ceva gresit cand ti-am zis de costuri care pot ajunge la 15.000 euro. Sistemul de franare nu trebuie analizat, ci schimbat obligatoriu daca nu vrei sa devii un sinucigas pe sosele. Nici suspensia nu este ok, pentru ca odata cu cresterea puterii si fortele vor fi mai mari asupra masinii. Vei avea surpriza ca la o franare violenta sa nu te opresti decat dupa ce ai trecut peste obstacol. Lasa teoriile, ca aici este vorba de fizica si niste calcule exacte.

Nu degeaba se vand masini de 250 CP cu suspensie imbunatatita fata de cele normale. Oricum deja la o astfel de investitie renteaza mai mult achizitionarea unui EVO sau Subaru care nu au nicio legatura cu ceea ce faci tu acum pe masina. Ceea ce nu ai observat tu este ca masinile prezentate in poze sunt de clasa mica, mult mai compacte decat limuzina ta.

Nu mi-o lua in nume de rau, ca nu iti bag bete in roate dar te avertizez ca daca nu faci totul de la cap la coada vei avea surprize mari. Trebuie sa te gandesti la siguranta ta si a celorlalti din trafic.

[cristi_407 Find all posts View Profile Close cristi_407]

Regarding the suspension and braking system. The suspension can cope with the extra power easily. Since the 407 is a relatively heavy car the road holding won’t even be nervous.

As for the brakes, well, it is perfectly possible to keep the stock brakes, but you will have to keep that in mind when driving. With 250+ hp you will reach high speeds very easily, so it is wise to keep in mind you have to stop too . Anticipation is always a better life saver then big brakes. Main difference between aftermarket brakes and stock brakes is not the braking power but the ability to brake hard over and over again without fading. So for normal driving stock brakes will be sufficient.